MOTHER OF ALL PURPOSE-DRIVEN DECEPTIONS
MOTHER OF ALL PURPOSE-DRIVEN DECEPTIONS
By Berit Kjos
November 28, 2006
NewsWithViews.com
"When you write the best-selling book in the world for the last three years, that changes your life.... Ten percent of America's churches have engaged in '40 Days of Purpose' programs, which have 'spread' to secular organizations, including sports teams and major corporations such as Ford, Wal-Mart and Coca-Cola, not to mention the military."[1] Rick Warren
"Dear Saddleback Family... This week I shared part of this message in New York City where I spoke at the United Nations, and also to The Council on Foreign Relations." Group email to Saddleback sent by "Pastor Rick [Warren]," 9-17-05.
'As a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and Oxford Analytica, I might know as much about the Middle East as you."[2] A recent letter from Rick Warren to Joseph Farah
"America's Pastor" Rick Warren rarely misses an opportunity to highlight the sales of his books or the influence of his PEACE Plan. But his latest boast reveals a depth of deception that demands both a sober response and a public warning. And it begs answers to these puzzling questions:
Why would the globalist Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) invite a Christian Pastor to join its semi-secret, anti-Christian organization?
How might Rick Warren benefit the elite Oxford Analytica, which works with globalist power brokers such as J.P. Morgan, the Aspen Institute, the World Bank]?[3]
What could drive Pastor Warren to lie and deny his taped dialogue with a Syrian Muslim leader?
First, let's review some recent events. On November 13, Rick Warren met with Syria’s Grand Mufti Sheikh Badr al-Din Hassoun in Damascus. Their dialogue was publicized by the Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA) in an article titled, "American Priest (Warren) Says no Peace without Syria:"
"Rick Warren on Monday said... that 80 percent of the American people rejected what the US Administration is doing in Iraq and considered the US policy in the Mideast as wrong.... Warren expressed admiration of Syria and the coexistence he saw between Muslims and Christians, stressing that he will convey this image to his church and country."[4]
On November 16, WorldNetDaily founder Joseph Farah wrote,
"Rick Warren wrote to me this morning to protest this column. He claims he didn't say anything he was actually quoted as saying by the official press in Syria. However, in a video... he says Syria 'does not allow extremism of any kind.' In fact, Syria is, in many ways, the No. 1 sponsor of terrorism in the world.... Here's what the Syrian Arab News Agency reported: '...Pastor Warren hailed the religious coexistence, tolerance and stability that the Syrian society is enjoying due to the wise leadership of President al-Assad....'"[5]
Despite contrary evidence, Warren proclaimed what the Syrian President al-Assad apparently told him. But the soon-to-follow assassination of Pierre Gemayel, a Christian anti-Syrian official in the Lebanese government -- therefore a foe to the Syria-backed Hezbollah terrorists -- should shatter those public illusions of tolerant coexistence.[6]
Finally, in a startling expose on November 20, Joseph Farah wrote,
"I pointed out to Warren that WND had indeed attempted to contact him about his trip. No one from his Saddleback Church ever returned our calls the day the story broke. 'I'm sure since you were warned in advance by the State Department that you took the precaution of recording your own words,' I suggested in my response. 'We look forward to seeing the transcripts.'...
"I really didn't expect to hear back from Warren – but, a few minutes later, I did, with an absolutely stunning retort. He let me know he is a close friend of President Bush 'and many, if not most, of the generals at the Pentagon.' He also told me he did not tape anything while in Syria, 'because it was a courtesy call, like I do in every country.' Warren explained that he had also counseled with the National Security Council and the White House, as well as the State Department, before his little courtesy call.... 'In fact, Warren added, 'as a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and Oxford Analytica, I might know as much about the Middle East as you.'...
"Not one to let lies go unchallenged, I wrote back to Warren with a link to the YouTube video: 'If you didn't tape anything, what's this?... It might be that Rick Warren, deep in the bush of Rwanda, never received those last questions, because he never responded – at least not in the last three days. He did, however, within minutes make sure the YouTube video he recorded independent of his meetings with the Syrian brown shirts was removed from the network."[2]
1. So why would the globalist Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) invite a Christian Pastor to join its secretive, anti-Christian organizations?
To understand the gravity of this unlikely partnership, let's summarize the history of the CFR. The following excerpts from our article, "Real Conspiracies -- Past and Present," provide a glimpse of the ruling network of masterminds behind the curtains of contemporary governments:
Few have done more to expose this global agenda than Bill Clinton's mentor, Carroll Quigley, an influential former history professor at the Foreign Service Schools of Georgetown University. Ponder this revelation from his 1300-page report, Tragedy and Hope:
"There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operation of this network because I have studied it for twenty years, and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret records.... [I]n general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown...."[7]
Quigley's next page describes the birth of The Council of Foreign Relations (CFR). A driving force behind today's global transformation, CFR insiders have helped steer the course of the current shift from U.S. sovereignty to a regional union under the UN (like the European Union) with open borders between Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. He writes,
"At the end of the war of 1914 [World War 1], it became clear that the organization of this [secret] system had to be greatly extended.... This front organization, called the Royal Institute of International Affairs, had as its nucleus in each area the existing submerged Round Table Group. In New York it was known as the Council on Foreign Relations, and was a front for J. P. Morgan and Company.... In fact, the original plans for the Royal Institute of International Affairs and The Council of Foreign Relations were drawn up at Paris."[8]
Rick Warren's global PEACE Plan fits right into this rising New World Order. As we explained in Warren's P.E.A.C.E. Plan and UN Goals - Part 2, this Communitarian system is based on partnerships and networks between government (public sector), business (private sector) and churches -- the most useful member of civil society (social sector). But it's never a partnership of equals, since governments wield both financial and standard-setting power. In the global arena, it intends to use the social sector (especially the global network of churches) to meet the needs of its promised welfare system.[9]
Rick Warren seems more than happy to be the Pied Piper that ushers churches into the organizational web envisioned by the CFR -- the guiding political force behind the visible global management system.[10]
2. How might Rick Warren benefit the elite Oxford Analytica?
He fits right into its agenda! Many of the same power brokers that steer the CFR are also guiding the Oxford Analytica. Its founder, David R. Young, provides this background information:
"...I joined the National Security Council staff as Kissinger's Administrative Assistant in late 1969. During the next four years in the White House - until 1973 - I observed among other things how Kissinger made ample use of his own personal network of friends around the world.... I could not avoid a very simple idea, namely: 'What a reservoir of talent: there must be a way of harnessing it, and becoming a bridge for it to reach the business and government worlds outside.' At the centre of this vision was the conviction that people in authority - the world over - would more often than not make better decisions if they were to regularly receive the benefit of totally dispassionate and detached analyses on the significance and implications of world events....
"...with the help and encouragement of my old mentor at the Rockefellers, J. Richardson Dilworth, I tried the idea on David Rockefeller, then Chairman of Chase Manhattan Bank; Walter Wriston, then head of Citibank... Robert Engle, then Treasurer of J.P. Morgan; and Sir Siegmund Warburg.... All of them felt the idea was sound and worth pursuing."[11]
Most of these mighty elites have chosen to live in the shadow of the mainstream media they control. Not so Rick Warren. Yet his global ambitions and magnetic leadership skills would serve them well, and Warren knows it. "Billions of people suffer each day from problems so big no government can solve them," Warren told the cheering crowd at Los Angeles' Angel Stadium back in 2005. "The only thing big enough to solve the problems of spiritual emptiness, selfish leadership, poverty, disease, and ignorance is the network of millions of churches all around the world."[12]
3. Why would Warren lie about his taped, much publicized dialogue with Syrian Muslim leader?
Like the CFR and the media it controls, Rick Warren has mastered the dialectic skill of speaking out of both sides of his mouth. He knows how to cloak worldly ambitions in words that resemble Biblical humility. He hides his emphasis on social collectivism behind Biblical words that promise oneness in Christ. And he promotes the Communitarian agenda while acknowledging the Kingdom of God.
But balancing such opposites leads to problems. Those who try to please influencers in every camp are likely to prove unreliable and dishonest. And in this case, Warren was obviously trapped by his own purpose-driven propaganda. In Syria he spoke words that would please the Muslim, anti-American leadership. In America, he tried to hide the facts in order to please his American fans.
Of course, positive proclamations can't cure the hatreds brewing in Syria. Now that Gemayel's assassination has fueled that fire, the noble sentiments of popular visionaries sound hollow indeed. As Rick Warren's "close friend" President Bush said,
"...it exposed the 'viciousness of those who are trying to destabilize the country' and pledged to stand with Lebanon 'in the face of attempts by Syria, Iran and their allies within Lebanon to foment instability and violence.'''[13]
Warren's deceptions began years ago, when he first adapted his famous five purposes to a postmodern culture. The outline below shows his Biblical titles (click on the live links to see the Scriptures). But the practical expressions of those Biblical terms have been twisted to accommodate the human preferences indicated by surveys and marketing schemes.
1. Worship: Postmodern worship is designed to stir good feelings and collective zeal. It may echo Biblical words, but points to a positive and permissive God who will cheer our self-centered nature and excuse our unholy ways. It clashes with genuine expressions of Spirit-filled hearts that freely praise God without emotion-raising stimuli. (See Spirit-Led or Purpose-Driven)
2. Fellowship: Organized purpose-driven "fellowship" follows dialectical guidelines. Small group members are trained in unbiblical tolerance, feeling-based (not fact-based) "sharing," and hostility toward "offensive" Biblical absolutes. In contrast, Biblical fellowship implies a gathering of genuine believers with a common delight in His Word, His will, and His holy ways.
“We’re all in this together,” said Rick Warren at the liberal Baptist World Alliance’s 2005 Congress. Baptists can “celebrate our diversity and celebrate our unity," he continued. "I see absolutely zero reason in separating my fellowship from anybody.[14]
3. Discipleship: Today's purpose-driven leadership calls for submission and loyalty to "the group" and its postmodern social ethics -- not to God and His Word. It demands collective thinking and "service learning."
4. Ministry: The shape and structure of purpose-driven ministries are increasingly defined by new management gurus, personality assessments, community surveys, and group appeal, not by Biblical teaching nor God's actual purposes.
5. Evangelism: Today's soft, non-offensive gospel focuses on God's supposed "passionate love" for people who are naturally lovable, not on His loving mercy for sinners. (See Ephesians 2:1-4) When "Christian" change agents train the masses to "think outside the box" of God's unchanging Word, they blind people to the only truth that can set us free.
"...if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ." Galatians 1:9-10
Footnotes:
1, Rick Warren, 'America's Pastor'2, Joseph Farah, WorldNetDaily, 11-20-063, Real Connspiracies, Past and Present and The Aspen Institute and Marching Toward Global Solidarity4, Rick Warren says no peace without Syria5, The Purpose-Driven Lie6, Beirut murder puts spotlight on Syria7, Carroll Quigley, "Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time" (New York: The MacMillan Company, 1966), pages, 950.8, Ibid. The Council on Foreign Relations9, Equipping leaders to 'Lead like Jesus?10, Warren's P.E.A.C.E. plan and U.N. goals 9-16-200511, Our History12, P.E.A.C.E. Plan: A Worldwide Revolution, Warren Tells Angel Stadium Crowd13, As Lebanon mourns Industry Minister Pierre Gemayel, left, demonstrators, officials place blame on neighbor Syria14, Baptist Congress Today
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By Berit Kjos
November 28, 2006
NewsWithViews.com
"When you write the best-selling book in the world for the last three years, that changes your life.... Ten percent of America's churches have engaged in '40 Days of Purpose' programs, which have 'spread' to secular organizations, including sports teams and major corporations such as Ford, Wal-Mart and Coca-Cola, not to mention the military."[1] Rick Warren
"Dear Saddleback Family... This week I shared part of this message in New York City where I spoke at the United Nations, and also to The Council on Foreign Relations." Group email to Saddleback sent by "Pastor Rick [Warren]," 9-17-05.
'As a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and Oxford Analytica, I might know as much about the Middle East as you."[2] A recent letter from Rick Warren to Joseph Farah
"America's Pastor" Rick Warren rarely misses an opportunity to highlight the sales of his books or the influence of his PEACE Plan. But his latest boast reveals a depth of deception that demands both a sober response and a public warning. And it begs answers to these puzzling questions:
Why would the globalist Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) invite a Christian Pastor to join its semi-secret, anti-Christian organization?
How might Rick Warren benefit the elite Oxford Analytica, which works with globalist power brokers such as J.P. Morgan, the Aspen Institute, the World Bank]?[3]
What could drive Pastor Warren to lie and deny his taped dialogue with a Syrian Muslim leader?
First, let's review some recent events. On November 13, Rick Warren met with Syria’s Grand Mufti Sheikh Badr al-Din Hassoun in Damascus. Their dialogue was publicized by the Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA) in an article titled, "American Priest (Warren) Says no Peace without Syria:"
"Rick Warren on Monday said... that 80 percent of the American people rejected what the US Administration is doing in Iraq and considered the US policy in the Mideast as wrong.... Warren expressed admiration of Syria and the coexistence he saw between Muslims and Christians, stressing that he will convey this image to his church and country."[4]
On November 16, WorldNetDaily founder Joseph Farah wrote,
"Rick Warren wrote to me this morning to protest this column. He claims he didn't say anything he was actually quoted as saying by the official press in Syria. However, in a video... he says Syria 'does not allow extremism of any kind.' In fact, Syria is, in many ways, the No. 1 sponsor of terrorism in the world.... Here's what the Syrian Arab News Agency reported: '...Pastor Warren hailed the religious coexistence, tolerance and stability that the Syrian society is enjoying due to the wise leadership of President al-Assad....'"[5]
Despite contrary evidence, Warren proclaimed what the Syrian President al-Assad apparently told him. But the soon-to-follow assassination of Pierre Gemayel, a Christian anti-Syrian official in the Lebanese government -- therefore a foe to the Syria-backed Hezbollah terrorists -- should shatter those public illusions of tolerant coexistence.[6]
Finally, in a startling expose on November 20, Joseph Farah wrote,
"I pointed out to Warren that WND had indeed attempted to contact him about his trip. No one from his Saddleback Church ever returned our calls the day the story broke. 'I'm sure since you were warned in advance by the State Department that you took the precaution of recording your own words,' I suggested in my response. 'We look forward to seeing the transcripts.'...
"I really didn't expect to hear back from Warren – but, a few minutes later, I did, with an absolutely stunning retort. He let me know he is a close friend of President Bush 'and many, if not most, of the generals at the Pentagon.' He also told me he did not tape anything while in Syria, 'because it was a courtesy call, like I do in every country.' Warren explained that he had also counseled with the National Security Council and the White House, as well as the State Department, before his little courtesy call.... 'In fact, Warren added, 'as a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and Oxford Analytica, I might know as much about the Middle East as you.'...
"Not one to let lies go unchallenged, I wrote back to Warren with a link to the YouTube video: 'If you didn't tape anything, what's this?... It might be that Rick Warren, deep in the bush of Rwanda, never received those last questions, because he never responded – at least not in the last three days. He did, however, within minutes make sure the YouTube video he recorded independent of his meetings with the Syrian brown shirts was removed from the network."[2]
1. So why would the globalist Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) invite a Christian Pastor to join its secretive, anti-Christian organizations?
To understand the gravity of this unlikely partnership, let's summarize the history of the CFR. The following excerpts from our article, "Real Conspiracies -- Past and Present," provide a glimpse of the ruling network of masterminds behind the curtains of contemporary governments:
Few have done more to expose this global agenda than Bill Clinton's mentor, Carroll Quigley, an influential former history professor at the Foreign Service Schools of Georgetown University. Ponder this revelation from his 1300-page report, Tragedy and Hope:
"There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operation of this network because I have studied it for twenty years, and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret records.... [I]n general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown...."[7]
Quigley's next page describes the birth of The Council of Foreign Relations (CFR). A driving force behind today's global transformation, CFR insiders have helped steer the course of the current shift from U.S. sovereignty to a regional union under the UN (like the European Union) with open borders between Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. He writes,
"At the end of the war of 1914 [World War 1], it became clear that the organization of this [secret] system had to be greatly extended.... This front organization, called the Royal Institute of International Affairs, had as its nucleus in each area the existing submerged Round Table Group. In New York it was known as the Council on Foreign Relations, and was a front for J. P. Morgan and Company.... In fact, the original plans for the Royal Institute of International Affairs and The Council of Foreign Relations were drawn up at Paris."[8]
Rick Warren's global PEACE Plan fits right into this rising New World Order. As we explained in Warren's P.E.A.C.E. Plan and UN Goals - Part 2, this Communitarian system is based on partnerships and networks between government (public sector), business (private sector) and churches -- the most useful member of civil society (social sector). But it's never a partnership of equals, since governments wield both financial and standard-setting power. In the global arena, it intends to use the social sector (especially the global network of churches) to meet the needs of its promised welfare system.[9]
Rick Warren seems more than happy to be the Pied Piper that ushers churches into the organizational web envisioned by the CFR -- the guiding political force behind the visible global management system.[10]
2. How might Rick Warren benefit the elite Oxford Analytica?
He fits right into its agenda! Many of the same power brokers that steer the CFR are also guiding the Oxford Analytica. Its founder, David R. Young, provides this background information:
"...I joined the National Security Council staff as Kissinger's Administrative Assistant in late 1969. During the next four years in the White House - until 1973 - I observed among other things how Kissinger made ample use of his own personal network of friends around the world.... I could not avoid a very simple idea, namely: 'What a reservoir of talent: there must be a way of harnessing it, and becoming a bridge for it to reach the business and government worlds outside.' At the centre of this vision was the conviction that people in authority - the world over - would more often than not make better decisions if they were to regularly receive the benefit of totally dispassionate and detached analyses on the significance and implications of world events....
"...with the help and encouragement of my old mentor at the Rockefellers, J. Richardson Dilworth, I tried the idea on David Rockefeller, then Chairman of Chase Manhattan Bank; Walter Wriston, then head of Citibank... Robert Engle, then Treasurer of J.P. Morgan; and Sir Siegmund Warburg.... All of them felt the idea was sound and worth pursuing."[11]
Most of these mighty elites have chosen to live in the shadow of the mainstream media they control. Not so Rick Warren. Yet his global ambitions and magnetic leadership skills would serve them well, and Warren knows it. "Billions of people suffer each day from problems so big no government can solve them," Warren told the cheering crowd at Los Angeles' Angel Stadium back in 2005. "The only thing big enough to solve the problems of spiritual emptiness, selfish leadership, poverty, disease, and ignorance is the network of millions of churches all around the world."[12]
3. Why would Warren lie about his taped, much publicized dialogue with Syrian Muslim leader?
Like the CFR and the media it controls, Rick Warren has mastered the dialectic skill of speaking out of both sides of his mouth. He knows how to cloak worldly ambitions in words that resemble Biblical humility. He hides his emphasis on social collectivism behind Biblical words that promise oneness in Christ. And he promotes the Communitarian agenda while acknowledging the Kingdom of God.
But balancing such opposites leads to problems. Those who try to please influencers in every camp are likely to prove unreliable and dishonest. And in this case, Warren was obviously trapped by his own purpose-driven propaganda. In Syria he spoke words that would please the Muslim, anti-American leadership. In America, he tried to hide the facts in order to please his American fans.
Of course, positive proclamations can't cure the hatreds brewing in Syria. Now that Gemayel's assassination has fueled that fire, the noble sentiments of popular visionaries sound hollow indeed. As Rick Warren's "close friend" President Bush said,
"...it exposed the 'viciousness of those who are trying to destabilize the country' and pledged to stand with Lebanon 'in the face of attempts by Syria, Iran and their allies within Lebanon to foment instability and violence.'''[13]
Warren's deceptions began years ago, when he first adapted his famous five purposes to a postmodern culture. The outline below shows his Biblical titles (click on the live links to see the Scriptures). But the practical expressions of those Biblical terms have been twisted to accommodate the human preferences indicated by surveys and marketing schemes.
1. Worship: Postmodern worship is designed to stir good feelings and collective zeal. It may echo Biblical words, but points to a positive and permissive God who will cheer our self-centered nature and excuse our unholy ways. It clashes with genuine expressions of Spirit-filled hearts that freely praise God without emotion-raising stimuli. (See Spirit-Led or Purpose-Driven)
2. Fellowship: Organized purpose-driven "fellowship" follows dialectical guidelines. Small group members are trained in unbiblical tolerance, feeling-based (not fact-based) "sharing," and hostility toward "offensive" Biblical absolutes. In contrast, Biblical fellowship implies a gathering of genuine believers with a common delight in His Word, His will, and His holy ways.
“We’re all in this together,” said Rick Warren at the liberal Baptist World Alliance’s 2005 Congress. Baptists can “celebrate our diversity and celebrate our unity," he continued. "I see absolutely zero reason in separating my fellowship from anybody.[14]
3. Discipleship: Today's purpose-driven leadership calls for submission and loyalty to "the group" and its postmodern social ethics -- not to God and His Word. It demands collective thinking and "service learning."
4. Ministry: The shape and structure of purpose-driven ministries are increasingly defined by new management gurus, personality assessments, community surveys, and group appeal, not by Biblical teaching nor God's actual purposes.
5. Evangelism: Today's soft, non-offensive gospel focuses on God's supposed "passionate love" for people who are naturally lovable, not on His loving mercy for sinners. (See Ephesians 2:1-4) When "Christian" change agents train the masses to "think outside the box" of God's unchanging Word, they blind people to the only truth that can set us free.
"...if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ." Galatians 1:9-10
Footnotes:
1, Rick Warren, 'America's Pastor'2, Joseph Farah, WorldNetDaily, 11-20-063, Real Connspiracies, Past and Present and The Aspen Institute and Marching Toward Global Solidarity4, Rick Warren says no peace without Syria5, The Purpose-Driven Lie6, Beirut murder puts spotlight on Syria7, Carroll Quigley, "Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time" (New York: The MacMillan Company, 1966), pages, 950.8, Ibid. The Council on Foreign Relations9, Equipping leaders to 'Lead like Jesus?10, Warren's P.E.A.C.E. plan and U.N. goals 9-16-200511, Our History12, P.E.A.C.E. Plan: A Worldwide Revolution, Warren Tells Angel Stadium Crowd13, As Lebanon mourns Industry Minister Pierre Gemayel, left, demonstrators, officials place blame on neighbor Syria14, Baptist Congress Today
© 2006 Berit Kjos - All Rights Reserved
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Berit Kjos is a widely respected researcher, writer and conference speaker. A frequent guest on national radio and television programs, Kjos has been interviewed on Point of View (Marlin Maddoux), The 700 Club, Bible Answer Man, Beverly LaHaye Live, Crosstalk and Family Radio Network. She has also been a guest on "Talk Back Live" (CNN) and other secular radio and TV networks. Her last two books are A Twist of Faith and Brave New Schools. Kjos Ministries Web Site: http://www.crossroad.to/index.html
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